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		<title>By: David Pennock</title>
		<link>http://blog.oddhead.com/2010/03/09/why-doesnt-pittsburgh-have-a-silicon-hill/#comment-7463</link>
		<dc:creator>David Pennock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet more: (Clearly I should have done more research prior to this post):

&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://alphalab.org/about.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AlphaLab&lt;/a&gt; provides the essential elements for startup companies to get off the ground successfully: funding, business assistance, advisors, space, and a supportive entrepreneurial community...Located at 2325 East Carson Street in Pittsburgh&#039;s historic Southside neighborhood, AlphaLab&#039;s location is easy to reach and near coffee shops, restaurants, retail shops, and dozens of other startup software technology companies.&quot;

AlphaLab is a project of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.innovationworks.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Innovation Works (IW)&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;the Pittsburgh region’s largest and most active seed-stage investor.  Since the creation of its seed fund in late-1999, IW has invested over $40 million in almost 120 technology startups in the Pittsburgh region – a pace that places IW among the most active seed-stage investors in the United States.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet more: (Clearly I should have done more research prior to this post):</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://alphalab.org/about.aspx" rel="nofollow">AlphaLab</a> provides the essential elements for startup companies to get off the ground successfully: funding, business assistance, advisors, space, and a supportive entrepreneurial community&#8230;Located at 2325 East Carson Street in Pittsburgh&#8217;s historic Southside neighborhood, AlphaLab&#8217;s location is easy to reach and near coffee shops, restaurants, retail shops, and dozens of other startup software technology companies.&#8221;</p>
<p>AlphaLab is a project of <a href="http://www.innovationworks.org/" rel="nofollow">Innovation Works (IW)</a>, &#8220;the Pittsburgh region’s largest and most active seed-stage investor.  Since the creation of its seed fund in late-1999, IW has invested over $40 million in almost 120 technology startups in the Pittsburgh region – a pace that places IW among the most active seed-stage investors in the United States.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Pennock</title>
		<link>http://blog.oddhead.com/2010/03/09/why-doesnt-pittsburgh-have-a-silicon-hill/#comment-7462</link>
		<dc:creator>David Pennock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hackpittsburgh.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HackPittsburgh&lt;/a&gt; is a non-profit, community-based workshop that allows members to come together and share skills &amp; tools to pursue creative projects. Our membership is open to everyone but typically comprises inventors, engineers, scientists, programmers, hobbyists, artists, roboteers, families, entrepreneurs, and arts and crafts enthusiasts. Our focus is on collaboration, education, and community outreach.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another: &#8220;<a href="http://www.hackpittsburgh.org/" rel="nofollow">HackPittsburgh</a> is a non-profit, community-based workshop that allows members to come together and share skills &#038; tools to pursue creative projects. Our membership is open to everyone but typically comprises inventors, engineers, scientists, programmers, hobbyists, artists, roboteers, families, entrepreneurs, and arts and crafts enthusiasts. Our focus is on collaboration, education, and community outreach.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Pennock</title>
		<link>http://blog.oddhead.com/2010/03/09/why-doesnt-pittsburgh-have-a-silicon-hill/#comment-2646</link>
		<dc:creator>David Pennock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 14:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Related: Pittsburgh was &lt;a href=&quot;http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/americas-most-livable-cities-2010&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rated #1 most livable city for 2010 by Forbes Magazine&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related: Pittsburgh was <a href="http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/americas-most-livable-cities-2010" rel="nofollow">rated #1 most livable city for 2010 by Forbes Magazine</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>CombineNet Introduces ASAP 4.3: Improves Buyer Productivity with New Template Management and Configuration Tools &#8230; redOrbit &#124; Product Sourcing Companies Directories</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Pennock</title>
		<link>http://blog.oddhead.com/2010/03/09/why-doesnt-pittsburgh-have-a-silicon-hill/#comment-2030</link>
		<dc:creator>David Pennock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;relaxing&#039; gets &quot;bypass studying&quot; recaptcha: I love it. Do you by chance have a screenshot? I&#039;m collecting recaptcha poetry.

 jsalvatier: Good point. Makes sense at the national level, though I believe most cities are not averse to competing with other cities for jobs.

relaxing, Jason, and Abe: thanks for the comments and links. Interesting about Michael Mauldin and Paul Graham. Some disadvantages of Pittsburgh you mention are chicken and egg problems: few jobs &amp; urban amenities. If there were more of them, more people would stay and if more people stayed, there would be more of them. Admittedly this is hard to overcome, especially the lack of urban appeal. And some disadvantages are uncontrollable: bad weather, no sun all winter.

Jason, I initially misread you last sentence. You&#039;re saying the investment *could* be enough to create jobs and urban appeal?

Also I just noticed another exception: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pittsburgh.intel-research.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Intel Labs Pittsburgh&lt;/a&gt;.

Abe, let&#039;s hope for your best case. Any chance the city or state government would get serious about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;relaxing&#8217; gets &#8220;bypass studying&#8221; recaptcha: I love it. Do you by chance have a screenshot? I&#8217;m collecting recaptcha poetry.</p>
<p> jsalvatier: Good point. Makes sense at the national level, though I believe most cities are not averse to competing with other cities for jobs.</p>
<p>relaxing, Jason, and Abe: thanks for the comments and links. Interesting about Michael Mauldin and Paul Graham. Some disadvantages of Pittsburgh you mention are chicken and egg problems: few jobs &#038; urban amenities. If there were more of them, more people would stay and if more people stayed, there would be more of them. Admittedly this is hard to overcome, especially the lack of urban appeal. And some disadvantages are uncontrollable: bad weather, no sun all winter.</p>
<p>Jason, I initially misread you last sentence. You&#8217;re saying the investment *could* be enough to create jobs and urban appeal?</p>
<p>Also I just noticed another exception: <a href="http://www.pittsburgh.intel-research.net/" rel="nofollow">Intel Labs Pittsburgh</a>.</p>
<p>Abe, let&#8217;s hope for your best case. Any chance the city or state government would get serious about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Abe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t around back then, so I have no clue why Pittsburgh didn&#039;t get big like SV or Boston, but I imagine it probably had to do with investment/focus on steel instead of technology, combined with CMU&#039;s CS department not having an undergraduate program until the 90s. Because of earlier investments Pittsburgh today is a powerhouse for highly-skilled metals production, it just turned out that was a lot less important than routers or microchips or that whole internet-thing.

I&#039;d be willing to buy Paul Graham&#039;s argument that Pittsburgh has a ton of talent today but can&#039;t capitalize on it (literally) because of an inability to retain wealthy people. It&#039;s telling that Tuomas (combinenet) and Luis (recaptcha) are both affiliated with CMU and so in a sense &quot;can&#039;t leave&quot;. Pittsburgh is a challenging place to live - cloudy, icy, hilly - and it can&#039;t balance that with the urban amenities you find in NYC or even Boston. What it balances the bad stuff with is the extremely cheap cost of living, but the same factors that make it the best place to live on a 30k salary really hurt it with people with much more money than that.

Best case in the immediate future for Pittsburgh is a pool of startup founders based around Luis/the local Google office that hit it big and decide to stay. The &quot;decide to stay&quot; part is the real tough one though, e.g., Michael Mauldin (Lycos), whose work paid for CMU&#039;s Newell-Simon Hall, recently left Western PA for the Texas Hill country http://www.lazytoad.com/.

Finally, it&#039;s worth mentioning that Paul Graham also grew up in Pittsburgh but unlike you really hated the place (at least, that&#039;s the impression I get from his essays).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t around back then, so I have no clue why Pittsburgh didn&#8217;t get big like SV or Boston, but I imagine it probably had to do with investment/focus on steel instead of technology, combined with CMU&#8217;s CS department not having an undergraduate program until the 90s. Because of earlier investments Pittsburgh today is a powerhouse for highly-skilled metals production, it just turned out that was a lot less important than routers or microchips or that whole internet-thing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be willing to buy Paul Graham&#8217;s argument that Pittsburgh has a ton of talent today but can&#8217;t capitalize on it (literally) because of an inability to retain wealthy people. It&#8217;s telling that Tuomas (combinenet) and Luis (recaptcha) are both affiliated with CMU and so in a sense &#8220;can&#8217;t leave&#8221;. Pittsburgh is a challenging place to live &#8211; cloudy, icy, hilly &#8211; and it can&#8217;t balance that with the urban amenities you find in NYC or even Boston. What it balances the bad stuff with is the extremely cheap cost of living, but the same factors that make it the best place to live on a 30k salary really hurt it with people with much more money than that.</p>
<p>Best case in the immediate future for Pittsburgh is a pool of startup founders based around Luis/the local Google office that hit it big and decide to stay. The &#8220;decide to stay&#8221; part is the real tough one though, e.g., Michael Mauldin (Lycos), whose work paid for CMU&#8217;s Newell-Simon Hall, recently left Western PA for the Texas Hill country <a href="http://www.lazytoad.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lazytoad.com/</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, it&#8217;s worth mentioning that Paul Graham also grew up in Pittsburgh but unlike you really hated the place (at least, that&#8217;s the impression I get from his essays).</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who recently graduated from the LTI at CMU, I can say the main reason I left Pittsburgh was the lack of jobs.  Yeah, there&#039;s Google, but everybody doesn&#039;t want to work there.  I was looking for an exciting startup and if I had found one there (that was hiring), I would have stayed.  Also, Pittsburgh is lacking some of the urban appeal (e.g. social scene) a lot of students are used to who come from cities like DC, NY, or SF.  I don&#039;t see why investment comparable to a stadium couldn&#039;t change all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who recently graduated from the LTI at CMU, I can say the main reason I left Pittsburgh was the lack of jobs.  Yeah, there&#8217;s Google, but everybody doesn&#8217;t want to work there.  I was looking for an exciting startup and if I had found one there (that was hiring), I would have stayed.  Also, Pittsburgh is lacking some of the urban appeal (e.g. social scene) a lot of students are used to who come from cities like DC, NY, or SF.  I don&#8217;t see why investment comparable to a stadium couldn&#8217;t change all that.</p>
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		<title>By: relaxing</title>
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		<dc:creator>relaxing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Location, location, location. Merely having a job isn&#039;t enough to make the top 0.01% talent stay. Pitt just doesn&#039;t have enough to offer.

No one wants to be in Pittsburgh. No one wants to be in Philly. Even NYC&#039;s startup community is quaint compared to SFO and the Valley.


captcha: &quot;bypass studying&quot;. Don&#039;t mind if I do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Location, location, location. Merely having a job isn&#8217;t enough to make the top 0.01% talent stay. Pitt just doesn&#8217;t have enough to offer.</p>
<p>No one wants to be in Pittsburgh. No one wants to be in Philly. Even NYC&#8217;s startup community is quaint compared to SFO and the Valley.</p>
<p>captcha: &#8220;bypass studying&#8221;. Don&#8217;t mind if I do!</p>
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		<title>By: Humoristic factoid of the day&#8230; &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</title>
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		<dc:creator>Humoristic factoid of the day&#8230; &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Humoristic factoid of the day&#8230;   Written by Chris F. Masse on March 10, 2010 &#8212; Leave a Comment     Oh, my Gosh&#8230; David Pennock is from Pittsburgh&#8230;!!!&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Humoristic factoid of the day&#8230;   Written by Chris F. Masse on March 10, 2010 &mdash; Leave a Comment     Oh, my Gosh&#8230; David Pennock is from Pittsburgh&#8230;!!!&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jsalvatier</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsalvatier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that even if it&#039;s possible to this, it is very likely the case that it would be a bad thing for any city to do because it probably merely shifts businesses from other areas (even if they are startups). Even if it&#039;s good for pittsberg, it might not be good on net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that even if it&#8217;s possible to this, it is very likely the case that it would be a bad thing for any city to do because it probably merely shifts businesses from other areas (even if they are startups). Even if it&#8217;s good for pittsberg, it might not be good on net.</p>
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